Curse

Mindtrust · Apr 27, 2006, 01:10 PM // 13:10

<- Rank 2 been playing since Nov2004 so i got a fairly good knowledge i think, i have played HA a couple of times, won it a few times also. But most of our pvpers have moved on to other games, so it's quite hard to HA nowadays, so i just play in TA insted.

I bet there are lot's of players like me out there, i don't complain i will just have to wait to get enough friends that likes PvP again

Guinea Fig · Apr 27, 2006, 01:13 PM // 13:13

Weeping Wind said it well and I will say it again.

It seems that the OP was annoyed that he can't lie his way into r6-r9+ PuGs anymore. You are complaining about elitest players yet you want to play in groups with the "elitest" players. I mean is there is a reason for this? Why don't you try to pick up 7 other r0-r3 people who are in the same boat as you?

Simple. As far as PuGs go... GENERALLY a higher ranked PuG TENDS to do better than a lower ranked group. Of course there are many exceptions but in the long run as far as random groups go... that seems to be a trend. Ask yourself one last time: Why don't you enjoy making a team with r0-r3 players? Why would you prefer to get into higher ranked PuGs? Now if you answer those questions truthfully, you will understand why MOST people don't want to bother with "teaching" or "testing" random Joe r0. Is it a shame for those few really good players (supposedly you) who just happen to be new? Maybe.

Now of course I think pugging is a horrible way to put together a group. If you don't have a guild... Friends list people are the way to go every time. Only PuG for the last few slots you can't fill.. and just maybe if you have a good run you can add a few more friends to your list.

If anything the new ranks help new players out. There might actually be some rank 4-5 or 7-8 groups forming. You don't have to 4x your fame to reach the next tier. And please don't complain about reaching rank 3. It really isn't all that much. If you put in a few hours every now and then there is no way you can't get your rank3 within 3 weeks even without iway. Now if you can't even bother to spend that much time in tombs (at least some dedication)... you wonder why people aren't jumping at the opportunity to team with you.

Gonzo · Apr 27, 2006, 01:15 PM // 13:15

I just unlocked HA

Now I can be overlooked by the vast majority. I'm so glad I don't PUG.

Misa · Apr 27, 2006, 01:30 PM // 13:30

The most stupid thing about the rank update is that you can't show your rank atleast you are r3+.

So that means r1 and r2 are very screwed =(

My poor 2nd account.

Fay Vert · Apr 27, 2006, 01:55 PM // 13:55

It doesn't matter if people think it's a good thing or a bad thing. Either way it's a massive problem for ANet because rank IS a major bar to new players playing this way. And given that they insist on linking PvP to PVE content then their line of "you want favour, go earn it" sounds increasingly pathetic.

Rank bars people from playing, especially new people.

Senator Tom · Apr 27, 2006, 02:02 PM // 14:02

rank does not matter. the only thing you need rank for is like iway and bloodspike pugs. get with a regular group of people and win. stop whining cause now the rank 8/9 iway pugs wont let you in cause your r6

Fay Vert · Apr 27, 2006, 02:19 PM // 14:19

and nobody will let you in if you are r0, still don't see the problem?

What happens to PvP if no or very few new people join?

"go away n00b" is very likely to make them do just that.

Akaraxle · Apr 27, 2006, 02:20 PM // 14:20

I'm posting this in an attempt to make a big part of the GW community aware of the potential issue that might arise with titles. Title requirements for groups in TA, 12v12, UW/FoW, you get the drift; it might become a problem for relaxed players willing to learn and enjoy the endgame.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akaraxle @ TGH

My suggestion: this time around, we (as part of the Guild Wars community) will have the chance to influence the players and their perception of certain aspects of the game. HA rank elitism is too radicated now and I doubt it can be bulged anymore, but with this new titles we should be able to do something.

Starting today everyone should publicly laugh in the face of people forming groups based on such titles, and explain why these titles are merely something "cool" to achieve but that do not mean anything related to skill due to the fact you gain them with time only.

They say many people's belief can become reality, and if we all spread the word to the in-game community we might reduce some player's need to show off their e-peens.

I want to believe that most of you don't care about those people that spam stuff like "1 mil xp tank LFG", and will agree with me. If noone out there takes these titles seriously and considers them on the same level as having a 15k armor, then Factions might feel more fresh for newbies, casual players, and people that generally like to take it easy.

Senator Tom · Apr 27, 2006, 02:25 PM // 14:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fay Vert

and nobody will let you in if you are r0, still don't see the problem?

What happens to PvP if no or very few new people join?

"go away n00b" is very likely to make them do just that.

find people, ask them to give you a chance. if your good, they'll let you in again. if you wanna get into a group just give them your skillbar to show you know what your doing. if your r0 and wanna pvp, then dont give up because someone said 'go away noob'. just stop whining about it, go get in a group instead of getting people to feel sorry for how low ranked you are.

fiery · Apr 27, 2006, 03:32 PM // 15:32

I think many of those "rank 12" were liars, not about the compliement but about being rank 12, seeing only more or less of a handful are actually rank 12.

Str0b0 · Apr 27, 2006, 04:30 PM // 16:30

Well as I can see it you have two options here. You can either get over it or you can get into a good PvP guild where they don't care about rank. Not trying to be a jerk but what else do you want done?

Evilsod · Apr 27, 2006, 04:36 PM // 16:36

I'm waiting for this rank thing to hit PvE.

FOW CHEST RUN LF TREASURE HUNTERS+

Fay Vert · Apr 27, 2006, 04:42 PM // 16:42

I don't want anything done. I am not whining because I don't give a shite about PvP. I am just pointing out that ANet has a problem with their design model, it's making it very hard for PvE players to enguage in PvP, which is what they want. Until they come up with a solution to the "go away n00b" problem, then there will always be this rift between PvP and PvE; and for all the rhetoric that is spouted, that is not a good thing.

I ask you this. You are creating a pug and a r0 wants to join. Do you take them?

If you answer yes to this they you are a liar

Quickly · Apr 27, 2006, 05:11 PM // 17:11

Quite simply there seem to be a lot of whiners here. I'm pretty new to PVP but I don't expect to rush into HA and get into an "elite" (yes it's in quotes, read into it what you will) R9+ group straight away. That's just crazy!

Equating GW to any other sport you have different levels of ability and gain ability through time. Would you expect somebody who just threw their first football in their backyard to be taken into the NFL draft? Of course not, you'd think someone was crazy for just suggesting it. Sure there will always be anomalies where somebody is just naturally extremely good but the rank system helps to show at least some experience. Just as in a real sport there will be highly ranked players who aren't worth your time and no-rank players who kick butt against everyone.

I've been to HA once, I got accepted into a PuG fairly easily and had a blast getting annihilated by the opposition... sure I would have liked to win but it was the first time I'd seen the map or been in 8v8 PVP.

If you're looking for a group and can't find one - start your own! I know I have... and to answer Fay Vert above me - YES, right now I'd take any R0! Not when I'm R10 though

Legendary Danny · Apr 27, 2006, 05:17 PM // 17:17

I'm not complaining, I like the new rank system. Now rank 10's and 11's will get some more recognition than rank 9's, considering it is a lot more fame between them. I'm rank 9 and its already been easy to get into good pugs

Nerdy · Apr 27, 2006, 05:17 PM // 17:17

I'm gonna disagree with the majority of the above and say that the new title system is a good thing. It actually encourages players to go that one step further.

For example, I've seen a lot of R3 titled players wandering around PVE area who have probably given up hope of getting a wolf.

Maybe the new system will get those players back into tombs as an incentive to get upto R4/R5 then more...?

Of course it doesn't help the rank 0 and 1 players, as they can't pretend to have 171 fame any more.

Oberon Shadowking · Apr 27, 2006, 06:10 PM // 18:10

I'm just going to throw my two cents in here without even reading most of the posts, so please don't flame me. Most of what I say is based off the beginning thread.

I think rank is screwed up, but only AS A METHOD FOR DETERMINING PuG PLAYERS. Rank, in my opinion, was designed to give the determined PvP players a way to discriminate amongst each other, much like FoW armor or 15k armor in PvE. It's primarily a status symbol, showing that you've played a LOT of PvP, and have been in good enough groups to get fame and rank.

However, rank is not necessarily an accurate descriptor of skill. I don't know if the threads still exist, but I've seen at least three fame farming service threads on GWguru. If a player can be semi-afk/simply noobing his way through while the other seven get PAID for getting him fame, is rank an accurate indicator of skill? No. I've played 250 hrs, almost all on PvE, but with probably 50 hrs of PvP experience, but I don't have any fame/rank. I therefore have a hard time finding a good PuG. I'm not a bad player at all, I know the tactics and strategy, can run different builds, and am a fast learner, but because I don't have a "/rank" emote, most good groups don't want me.

I have wanted to get into PvP a long time, but I can't seem to break out of RA, because the groups in HA and TA don't seem to want a warrior who doesn't have rank 3+/6+/9+. I have almost considered unlocking a ton of ranger skills so I can make a PvP W/R and start doing IWAY, JUST to get myself fame/rank, so that I can get on a good balanced team and take HoH.

So, does MORE rank discrimination mean good things? No, at least, not if you ask me. Perhaps if we got PvE "ranks," things like the titles, like "10,000 enemies killed," or "boss slayer," or "1,000 hrs played" or stuff like that, then PvE players could break into PvP, but as is, it's almost impossible.

Gaile Gray · Apr 27, 2006, 06:22 PM // 18:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by artay

I think its great, a way to show off your hard earned rank among other things (lots of different titles out there now)(or there will be soon)

This really is a response to player requests. Rank is rank, and displaying it more exactly is precisely what players have requested. Frankly I don't see the downside of this. If rank has been used as a barrier, that's not the intent. Rank is a reward for accomplishment, a way to call out what you've achieved. You are what you are, and therefore, you should be able to show it loud and show it proud!

vinegrower · Apr 27, 2006, 06:35 PM // 18:35

This is why I only play with my guild and Hench in PvE. If I was looking for a PUG and they demanded that I show a title, I'd just find another group, even if I had that title.

Hell Raiser · Apr 27, 2006, 06:37 PM // 18:37

That is exactly what rank SHOULD be, a display of your accomplishments. Rank should be this way, but it isn't. More and more people are unable to accomplish anything because they can't find a group that is good enough, wich brings us back to rank.

If a low ranks want to become r3/6/9/12+ they are going to need a cooperative, friendly team, this way they can win fame and be away from the "noob" calling. Rarely have I seen a team with both of these factors, usually high ranked groups are cooperative but are more about the win rather than the game so they only allow other ranked people to join. Low ranked groups are rarely cooperative and unable to work well together (except guilds), but are most always friendly and willing to help anyone out.

I see alot of people that now PAY for their rank because of the fact that they can't find a group that is good in battle and people that just like playing the game, therefor cannot accomplish anything without payment.

I think there would be many more people who enjoy the Heroes' ascent part of the game if others would help them along the way.

~Hell